If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. I dare say probably not. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. I do not know if laugh or cry , almost 30 yrs involved in this , Im still a Christian , I serve in my church , Ive learned more since I left the movement , I am happier more devoted Christian than when I was manipulated to go out soulwinning , bus driving ,Sunday school teaching etc. 53. For example, #54. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. 2. Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. Id rather do the hard work than be a robot though. . No government should interfere with the local church's preaching, activities, and ministry. I have read other versions of the Bible. Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. N/A You are still required to tithe in the IFB regardless of your source of income. God works in mysterious ways. If you think anything other than a suit and tie for men is too casual for Sundays, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 11. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) I have no belief, opinion, or position of this And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? 38. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) I had my part. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. Find a Church | IndependentBaptist.church He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us Sermon Outlines The Bible-Believing Fundamentalist Told to leave them to the hog mire until they return to the father.. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. Baptists are people of the Bible and not fellings. I go to an IFB church and thought a few of your statements could be funny if in the right spirit, some not so much and others I found untrue altogether. No, because thats not Gods will. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Generally its the Pastor, or Preaching Elder or Minister, that has to attend multiple services because he has to preach the sermon. Its concept of an ecclesiastical Kingdom is not supported by Scripture. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? Did you read it? I wonder sometimes if the pastor didnt hit one of your sins and instead of getting you under conviction, you just got angry. They all work together. You dont just GO WITH THE FLOW. Ive never been instructed their acting Rebellious or looked down on or had any concern for myself but they were rebellious. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. Preachers should not put their congregation under constraint. I truly dont understand this one, ha! You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if I found this site while checking for deceptions in different denominations, starting with Mormons. The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). Wow, nice list. are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. If you refuse to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcoholic beverages, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 27. If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! I believe this passage is a description of the IFB church Im a member of. 2. You are falling right in line with what they want someone who will robotically obey them. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. Auckland, New Zealand, New IFB pastor Logan Robertson was deported from Australia in July 2018 after being accused of harassing Muslims at two Brisbane mosques. I must say, I was hoping the list would be more interesting but the fact mixed into the exaggeration of each point was mostly so true it seemed a bit pointless! (Genesis 2:24; Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23), We believe that God expressly forbids intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. I dont believe some of the Catholic doctrine is true, but all have belief in things they believe and unbelief in things they dont believe. But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. I forgot to mention my concerns on some of the other beliefs of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church: Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! 4,2, and 7 month old. Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! We had no money. No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:4; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32), Every individual, believer and unbeliever, possesses the God-given privilege of free will having the liberty to choose what to believe. Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). Much to their horror, they could not find a church that had a Wednesday night service anywhere in the area. If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. We believe that the Scriptures are inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed. Or preferring the KJV? From my perspective turning people away from the IFB is turning them towards God. I read Matthew 23 just before writing. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. Many on here were saved at a IFB church. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Im not responsible for how its perceived. Baptists are traditionally strong believers in Biblical authority. I was told that I could not work in one of my passionate ministries, infant, toddler, and 3-4 year olds because of something I did in my past 14 years ago and pastor told me I have to prove myself first. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. If you have others please feel free to share in the comments section, 1. Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. This is the same pastor who said, you can come and let us tell you how you can know how you can know for sure how you can make Heaven your home. Do you realize this was written as humorous piece ? How will you escape the judgment of hell? Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? 18. 39. The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image and is mindful of him, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every individual possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love. The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. Christ suffered and While I am not against crucifixes but using them in public worship is idolatry because the bible forbids idols. I must forgive others the same way God forgave me. 16 Blind guides! Assemble Anywhere KJV Churches The Baptist Fundamentals and Hermeneutics 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Basically he was just marketing for his college. 30. I love the Lord with all my heart-I attend church when I want and where I wantbut mostly I have bible studies with Christian friends in coffee shops, homes, and restaurants and (I usually have on a pair of blue jeans. I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. Im glad they didnt because Id probably be ashamed admitting Im a liar. Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. This is the only church Ive been to, so I just awsume all Churchs are loving, caring, forgiving, honest, and strive to bring glory to god and its just sad to here that thats not the case. Im pretty sure it WAS/IS alcohol because the bible talks alot about not getting drunk with wine.also take a little wine, etc. Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. We fellowship with sister churches of like precious faith and practice, and support missionaries sent forth by the authority of such churches. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? No member shall Its the inspired word of God. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). Forget the past and move on to do those things that shine light to the lost, edify the saints, and glorify God. Then you have churches with no standards . Please dont mistake this for a lack of respect or an attempt to minimize the seriousness of the abuse that happens among the Independent Fundamental Bapitsts. Only the KJV will be used in this group; There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. This list reminded me of a few I forgot about, but one I dont think youve mentioned yet is If your teenage boys and girls have to be separate and swim in different pools or at different times when you are on a teen outing or camping trip lol. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? There isn't much out there on the web. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. Scofield came to know Christ AFTER all of that, so I dont hold that against him. Praise the lord for forgiveness. The pastor our local congregation is the preaching elder and most Churches of Christ avoid the term, Pastor, when addressing their ministers. Jack hyles was an adulterous heretic. My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. 2 Corinthians 2:10 is a guideline not a command. you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. I prefer Kjv! For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Yes, we have a tract rack. God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. I love this!! Some of these doctrines are as listed. This is because primarily I am a Bible Believer and if church doctrine of any individual church does not line with scripture, then this so called doctrine is nothing more than a vain tradition. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. The churches that teach certain things unrelated to scripture, are a result of what the Bible calls IN THE LAST DAYS. In the last days, people will leave their first love, just as you have left YOUR first love, probably because of a pastor, an arrogant church member, or maybe because of your very own relationship with God, a relationship that is lacking. God speaks to individuals through His Word and His Spirit. You can forgive him, that doesnt mean you have to marry him. 8 Dont let anyone call you Rabbi, for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. 16. Baptists: 10 Important Things to Know About The Church Beliefs WebThe 1920 Baptist Fundamentals declared, The fundamental principle of the Baptists, in common with many other evangelicals, has always been the gospel, which is the essence King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. We believe the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be the Bible, as it is in truth, the Word of God (I Thessalonians 2:13). Matthew 6:14-15 is a warning not a command. 28. (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. Its my calling and my ministry. 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. 6. I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. It made me think of this, Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Its a shame, but whattayagonnado? The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. We believe in the autonomy of the local church free of any external authority or control. The Duggar family, so much in the news lately, are Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB), a loosely affiliated, singularly cultish denomination of No, because I have said and thought some things I regret. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! Independent Fundamental Baptists 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. Ive known many people whom God has reached using the IFB. We are happily married today blessed with 2 more children. I forgave through the example of Jesus. It uses the Bible to treat everything from porn addiction BUT, there is good news! 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but dont follow their example. Hypocrites! Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. 37. I will cut to the chase: my Pastor and his wife took a much needed vacation a few years ago. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. We believe that all the saved should live in such a manner as not to bring reproach upon their Savior and Lord; and, that separation from all religius apostasy, all worldly and sinful pleasures, practices and associations is commanded of God (II Timothy 3:1-5; Romans 12:1, 2, 14:13; I John 2:15-17; II John 9-11; II Corinthians 6:14-7:1). I wanted to go to church but was not able to. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical I dare say it would be the one you enjoy making fun of. We believe in salvation by grace Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. They bought your loyalty. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three personsFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14). Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. I was taught that. What sorrow awaits you! Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. [14], Tarrant County, Texas preacher Dillon Awes attracted considerable controversy for advocating that "every single homosexual" in America be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. Believers in a free society should influence government toward righteousness, but should not make an unholy alliance for control, influence, or favors. 30 Then you say, If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would never have joined them in killing the prophets.. [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. You better be right with God and have your name written in the lambs book of life. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. You are correct! We believe that Satan is a created angelic being who rebelled and who tempted man to join him in rebellion against God (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; Genesis 3:1-5). Steve, Im a 29 year old pastor of an independent Baptist church. If you believe women shouldnt wear pants, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 12. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. What surprises me, though, is that he was ordained as a pastor and actually called to pastor DL Moodys church in Massachusetts as a divorced man. Here are my concerns about the beliefs since I am not Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, or part of any Baptist affiliation: That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult.
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