To Janice To me it looks as if shes holding up one hand cupping her ear as if to hear something being shouted to her. Ive just watched a video on YouTube.. An unusual one.. A psychic reading actually.. Or if someone deleted them? The branches above her could be an attempt to hide the entrance. But even when a phone is locked after thee attempts the screen says emergency calls only. Her phone is dead. I live in a third world country and sometimes tourists come to grief. However, regarding Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, Id need to know more about their personality to make this determination. From 508 onward. But, Who took the photos on later dates? While I was reading over the story again, I decided to review their photos one more time. Its too cold to sleep at night, so they try to keep moving, until, in the darkness Kris falls down a ravine, hitting her head, and going into a coma. Or perhaps its an offshoot from the trail along a natural gully that leads to a dead-end? And I think that sunlight she is trying t avoid also is the reason for her facial expression. The land behind her is definitely at a higher level and could be rock. There appears to be a blue pieces of trash on the ground. That way, no downloads are necessary. Links that require download are high-risk by their very nature, so please consider uploading your media to a website like imgur.com or a similar alternative. I think investigation isnt the correct word. Seriously? Its up to the public now the government closed the case 6 years ago. In reality, I dont think someone would go to this extent. Este rosto de uma jovem que est angustiada,aterrorizada sem saber o que fazer para se salvar. ), which doesnt look natural. Apr 4, 2022 The number of international visitor arrivals in Panama surpassed the one million in 2021, after having plummeted to less than 700 thousand as a result of COVID-19 impact on tourism. There seems to be no pictures of the dog. Ella divide en dos la historia: las fotos anteriores a la 506 son de alegra, la foto 506 es de pnico y la 507 y 508 de preocupacin. There is, of course, the possibility that they might have agreed to share passwords considering that a remote wilderness could present an emergency that might result in a combination of one of them losing her phone while the other was too incapacitated to work hers. Machismo culture is very real and respect is considered to hold a higher level of importance in Latin America. So easily noticeable. Fortunately, theres a lot of work still underway from private investigators and researchers. Even if that had happened, the skeleton would have been more intact and scratch marks would have been found on the bones. Even the cheap pair of sunglasses are in perfect condition. Looking forward to reading what Bethzaida Pitti comes out with in the book she is co-authoring about the case. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_JheETl6Obg. I think she is pointing, but at something else in another location. They very quickly realized that they could not find the point where they entered the jungle and if they were in trouble, and that is when the 911 calls started. More than 100 pictureswere on the camera; the first few looked like normal tourist photos with the womensmiling together. Realizing just how much trouble these two could have been in. The picture where she is crossing the stream and looking back, her smile looks forced. He wasnt walking with them. RIP sweet girls. It is clear they contributed much to this by their actions. It must have been flowing in the river the police said. 24/7 coverage of breaking news and live events. Also important is who they met because two tall and very attractive new arrivals would certainly get all the boys tongues wagging. Another thing that crossed my mind is what if the backpack & items had been kept as like a trophy of the killings, & a local knew thats what it was aware of the incident & grabbed it & left it somewhere to be found to try & help shed light on the case the best way they could. However, visitors are still a crucial part of the local economy and the reason the. The 29-year-old from Stockport vanished on 14 August near a beauty spot in Panama. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kris+and+lisanne++finanli. Disturbing evidence also showed there were a number of failed attempts to unlock Kris' phone - sparking another theory that Kris had died and Lisanne was frantically trying to access her phone to get help. Is it a reasonable number? They talk as if it would be difficult to branch off the trail, but maybe they did not notice other paths that could have been taken? As the effort wore on, they enlisted the help of the Wisconsin-based volunteer search and recovery organization Bruce's Legacy and set up a GoFundMe to help defray the costs of bringing the nonprofit to Panama. Out of respect for the girls families, I think that comments like this, which I argue turn this case into some sort of entertaining Netflix series, should be removed. Give me a link. This is an interesting analysis, of this photos and the case in general. For this websites credibility I would strongly recommend more thorough moderation of peoples comments. Same goes for the hair photo, that people think might be a portion of a previous shot. I think this photo in particular is odd. Hi Birgitte, thank you for your comment. Eerie Photos Reveal Last Moments Before Women Vanished in Panama Is there somebody behind the insignia? Lisanne's bones appeared as if they had decomposed naturally - but Kris' bones were mysteriously stark white as if they had been bleached, raising questions about whether someone had been involved in her death. Bizarre Stories About Tourists Who Went Missing Far From Home - CBC Hi Mohaiminul, you mention some good questions. Although it might be the sun that gives her face a strange expression. The black twigs can be seen growing up, as all vegetation/trees do to harness the sun, but the ones above her are clearly bent in a horizontal and parallel formation. Again NO SIGNAL! At dawn the rain stops and she sets out. Perplexing to say the least. Thats perplexing to me. Search shoe with foot in it found. They keep trying to call emergency. Chris, I hope you and a team go but I also understand, in the present age of uncertainty, if you dont. There are more answers out there that are still possible to gather. But because of their theatrics and ignoring the evidence, the story and curiosity will continue to keep this case alive. Also, where did learn that her brother mistakenly put the hair photo online? I really hope the girls rest in peace and that nobody goes through this ever. They showed an incredibly brave independence which was repaid with murder. Then again, my brain may be playing tricks from staring at it too long. The stats leave 42 cases currently open since 2007. Anyway thanks again this is such a fascinating case I wish there would be some kind of closure for the families (although I saw a you tube video that interviewed the father of one of the girls, he said that they hired their own investigator and determined they died of an accidental fall. I do not know. In 2014 Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, both from the Netherlands were traveling and exploring the Central American country of Panama. Central America is notably inexpensive, free spirited, less commercialized and is typically hospitable to travelers, therefore many travelers from around the world seek these adventures. She turns to talk Lisanna All of this leads to resentment and frustration, which results in higher crime rates. OK I see the conspiracy theorists saying someone else had their phones but who else would know to try 112 which is the common emergency number for EU countries? The phones remained active for nearly 10days after the pair went missing. The date read April 1, the day of their fateful hike. His family told Fox News that he had been traveling by himself and he was in good health. The same thing happened to the taxidriver who drove Kris and Lisanne to the forest. Its very disappointing to see the comment sections on this website to be allowed to turn into a very disrespectful and unfunny joke. I am trying not to speculate but where is the firm incontrovertible starting point? Did they each have a camera or only Lisanne? Hi Anna, yes, Im aware of that and thank you for shedding light on that for other readers. Hi Chris, to me the place Kris is in looks really spooky, but I also think it looks like the entrance to a cave. I think that this is a photoshopped image made by cutting out a picture of Kris and pasting it onto a background to give the false impression that Kris and Lisanne went on the Pianista Trail. I prefer to think that the two girls had some sort of accident, still horrific but better than being murdered. Despite search teams, which included dogs and. I would like to pick your brains on your thoughts about the night photos: 1. of SOS made with a white cloth, 2. the mirror on rock 3. A table of photo data from their hike on El Pianista Trail: New Case Data: Timestamps Of Missing Daytime Photos. Update Dec 2, 2021: The full-resolution version of this photo was released in 2021. Maybe shes told to put her hands up and walk into this structure. She makes a last effort to wake her friend. He drowned a short time after. Numerous families of disappeared family members have contacted me from my writing and the following is nearly always the sentiment they convey: Local authorities are unreliable, careless, slow to respond, even slower to take action, and they often hinder the familys own investigations. What Really Happened To Two Dutch Hikers Who Disappeared In Panama? I was surprised to learn that. It most certainly is not a joke. The black and red object above is clearly a decayed plant leaf. They are free now. Also mobile signals are better at night yet no calls were attempted. Much information is second hand. Blue is an uncommon color in the rainforest for anything of that size. I think that I read somewhere that something blue was found on one of the shoes. I believe that by the time this photo was taken, the situation has gone sideways. Personally, I believe that number one mentioned above is the most likely reason. THANK GOD SOMEONE IS SEEING WHAT I SEE. He has a reasonable explanation for why she is having to bend down, and he found video where you can see a turn to the left where kris is. because why else would they have continued access to their phones for the next week? From January to October, 86 Navajo men and women have gone missing nationwide, said Meskee Yanabah Yatsayte, a missing-persons advocate for . Does blue have something to do with this strange punishment ritual? I dont really speculate much with psychic readings or energy. That would account for a canopy structure being built there. On the bottom right of the photo it looks as though her hair is wrapped around somebodys fingers, or rather someone has their fingers wrapped around her hair. Im curious. Not getting any fingerprints looks suspect. There are no discernible scratches of any kind on the bones, neither of natural nor cultural origin there are no marks on the bones at all. Are too many tourists visiting Iceland? - BBC News Perhaps this stranger had suggested he could guide them on a more interesting trail, or show them something interesting in the jungle. This is likely part of the trail on the way down from summit, that maybe turns sharply. I am Photoshop expert, and I promise you that its virtually impossible to edit images in any way without it being noticeable at the pixel level. Why did he leave them? Two days pass. Foul play is very likely. There are . . Really sad story, whichever way you look. Look for an ex-military man who may be the culprit. Our team is planning to go to Panama later this year (2021) to collect information involving the case. There have been several mass graves uncovered there in the last year alone. Something I hadnt noticed before until I could see the photos upclose, (the one where she is hunched over) is that her face looks distorted; it doesnt look like her almost as if its some kind of mask. Almost like some picture had been there and this posted over or just strange, almost satanic looking things. However being one of the last photos taken this location would be incredibly important to have investigated back in 2014 (or even still). So many questions and there is no clear starting place like a police report to read. Hi Chris, i heard of this case a few months ago and i read many articles about it. The causes of Kremerss and Froons tragic death have never been determined and the two bodies that were recovered have not even been conclusively found to be either of the girls. And the police know who it is, but will not say anything. One indication is that I cannot see the shoulder strap of her top that is obscured by her white/fair forearm. Everyone is already aware that there are many unfortunate possibilities of what could have happened to Kris and Lisanne. Hi Mel, thanks for sharing. Government corruption perpetuates the proliferation of gang activity. After the attempted calls, the phones stayedon for some time. At 2:50 they start walking up to what I believe is the location in this photograph, Not a cave but an old bridge you can see the railing and bridge post and there is a weird shadow to the left behind the railing. The people in Panama may be afraid to speak, but in Europe, the USA and other Central American countries there are pods of people still working on the case. Why not just kill them and leave it be? Also, aserial killer might have stalkedtheir area at the time. Perhaps the owner had an underlying influence/incentive to express conviction in his or her statement about the dog. Plus, corruption in Panamas government is rampant. My sole concern is for the young women who lost their lives for absolutely no reason. I previously read that online, although it was a while ago and I cant remember where I read that. There are no public statistics. I hope you understand my english, im not a native speaker. If you zoom in on the picture, I noticed that her face almost seems distorted, almost as though it was swelled up? Thanks for your interest in the case and providing some input. Both were never seen again, The Sun reports. Im always reviewing their case and looking for answers. Let me dampen the third party argument by asking IF their end was at the hands of another personwhy not simply bury the rucksack rather than all the elaborate need for photoshopping and phones used in the hands of a third party ? You highlight the importance of fastidiousness in the articles that I reference. I think that if the parents had withheld important photographs,showing that the circumstances pointed to natural causes,they would have disclosed that theory before now, surely,if for no other reason,than to prevent further speculation about the girls disappearance. I agree with you. Her hands are not tied. On the original, her face doesnt look like that at all. If you look closely at the top left part of this photo, you can see that, behind all the criss-crossed twigs and branches, there is a bank of rock. The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System reported that more than 600,000 people go missing in the US every year, but the majority are quickly . One showed Kremers with what looked like concern on her face,dated around the time of the emergency calls. Perhaps a piece of a tarp or a wrapper? If it is not possible to join those two points together then that would at least shine light on the possibility that a third party was involved at some point leading to the appauling possibility that they genuinely were lost for some time (until the 5th?) One could argue that the inherent risk of traveling to under-developed countries is exciting for the reason that theres potential danger and less authoritative control. Also, it wouldnt make sense if Lisanne didnt know Kris password. Obviously she did the first several times, but as the battery got lower, she likely got more conscious of the idea of conserving it. Adrien McNaughton Was Surrounded by Family, He Left Behind Books He Wrote in Secret Code, The Door Was Open, and Baby Lisa Was Gone. Its all speculation until more answers are found. Has anyone gone back to the spot where the photo was taken? Debra Ann Velleman, of Waukesha, Wis., and Sue Borries, of Teutopolis, Ill., are missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama on Jan. 3, 2022. I knew there was a lot of interest in the case but I never expected to find a sophisticated group collaborating at this level. It looks like a turtle shell hanging on the right side of the picture (its further up). Her face is swollen from being hit, her neck is bleeding, multiple cuts all over plus you can see someone sitting on ground behind her watching. I have seen her stick out her tongue and other photos of her. Who did the manipulation of course is a mystery but it points to being a corroboration of the police narrative that they got lost. Other than the dog, the young women went on their hike alone, only asking for directions from a local innkeeper, who advised them to take a taxi back to town. For the first handful, a correct password was entered. I think whoever was behind the (likely) murders wanted it to seem like they went missing due to being lost on the pianista trail. It is a suicide decision and they, experienced travellers, know that. I think this has been added to hide the fact that Kris was not wearing boots, as this was a shot of her from somewhere else and superimposed on the jungle scene. I searched Google and I found the complete photo with the highest resolution possible. So, unless there was camera tampering (that may be since one photo was apparently deleted digitally), her hands are not tied. According the guidance given to the US Embassy, immigration officials will require tourists who leave the country to stay a minimum of 30 days outside of the country before reentering. Why werent those outgoing calls being completed? Her skin does not look pallid like that of a dead person, it is still pink. Stories which hes found in archives going back as early as 1500s until modern day all Facts and all true. She is not tied up, there is no rope around her waist and there are no hidden or blurry people in the photo. They got lost and they died of starvation and a hard ration, except for Chriss. We have 5 people ending up dead, and the skulls of the girls are never found. Totally agree, Alexis. I do not think this case fits the criteria of missing 411. This story struck my heart. Cheers. Theres some orange with white dots. Kris was not happy with the situation and was just going along and not looking too cheerful in the pictures. Photo #509 was permanently deleted which takes advanced technical knowledge, plus a computer. There is definitely a face on that the post/tree to the right of Kris. Political corruption runs rampant, depending on the community, which has a cascading effect on law enforcement and local crime. She would probably have gone into what looks like a cave or hut behind her, which may have been a booby trap leading to a long drop either through the floor or at the back of the cave. Out of all the photos that have been released this photo disturbs me the most. I get why people really hard want to believe theres something more to it, but hiking a lot (in very well known areas) you can go lost SO easily. "This is a nightmare with 1,001 demons," says 40-year-old Oscar, who is from Colombia but was living in Bolivia. So that is what she discovered here. The blue thing on the ground looks like a blue tarp and that looks like a corner sticking out. Check out David Paulidess accounts of people who go missing every day in state parks. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22, went for a walk through the scenic forests around the Baru volcano in Boquete - and never returned. I dont appreciate the internet trolls who dump havoc on peoples insights. Your email address will not be published. I dont think so. As we all know, hitting delete never actually deletes files therefore overwriting the files is the only effective method to cleaning old data. But others have suggested the chilling photos might have been taken by someone else after killing the girls. Beyond that, the police are even suspect in altering evidence and not preserving it. They want to protect their tourism industry but they also dont have the resources to effectively stop gang violence. Why would the perpetrators concoct all of the photo/backpack evidence? Wearing minimal clothing, no knife of compass which were left in their room. The night picture she is standing in same spot and someone is doing something to her lower leg or foot ,you can see them under her. How come there are so many disappearances in S. America You would write something out on notepad or at least be texting everyone in your address book hoping one got through saying Help. To me it looks like the chopped off end of a thick tree branch. After taking a deep dive into all the evidence and flying out to Panama to do their own investigation, the pair concluded that the girls' deaths were an accident. Its not a very long trail and I think when they got to the end of the trail they made their really big mistake. Patients often tell our staff about finding the corpses of people who have suffered fatal falls or drowned in swollen rivers. I agree w rope around waste thst wasnt there before, hair is completely down Aldo, shes in distree. I wonder if the two red objects are flowers? However, calling emergency services doesnt require unlocking the phone, meaning a third party had to be involved. Thanks and cheers. Whatever happened I believe was not from a man following them. According to ageographicalexpert, the three-mile stretch is relatively easy to explore, and most missing tourists return without assistance or come across search parties looking for them. I dont see any pit. The main/central support bar (branch?) Panama: Seven young people killed on trip to Gatn Lake When neither Froonnor Kremers turned up, the community decided to wait until the next day to contact authorities. Someone was with the girls when the two photos of them were taken on the Pianista summit. If you think America is safe you are ignorant! There just seems to be something wrong about this photo, and I dont like her expression. Two years later, a 23 year old American woman is strangled to death while walking the trails. I was visiting Panama and Boquette July 2014, thats when I first heard about this case and was following it ever since. There is an international consortium working behind the scenes to slowly and methodically continue the investigation. As a side note, if all of the photos are in the order in which they were taken, why do they put their hair up, and take it down so much? All items were in one place at this point, and together the elements and biology dispersed them and kept some for the jungle. thank you for sharing this. The timing of the photos is incorrect, the resolution of the photos was altered to remove detail (which is why the public only has poor quality photos) and sometimes the photos were different sizes/dimensions. Hi Ray, thank you for your comment. After the backpack was found the family got to see the pictures and the case was ruled an accident presumably the 30 or so pics the family didnt release showed the girls in bad shape,, the case went from foul play to accident after the pics were seen.. the pic of the girls hair was put on internet by her brother or something like that and was quickly photoshopped , the wound and eye were concealed. On April 1, the 21-year-old and 22-year-old went for a walk through the scenic forests around the Baru Volcano in Boquete. Froons bones appeared as if they had decomposed naturally, but Kremerss bones were mysteriously stark white as if they had been bleached, raising questions about whether someone had been involved in their deaths. People have long realized that its up to the public to solve this. Perhaps the killer of Catherine Johanet knows more, Hi, u might want to watch this vid it has theories dat i think might giv more insights to this case, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCaD8kRTwsI. I read extensively about this case and when I saw the above pic, I got the most eerie feeling. I have created a comparison of the original photo leaked to the public, the artificially upsampled version thereof and the (presumed) full resolution picture taken from the article linked to in my previous post (all cropped to show only Kris and further 2 magnified). Panama International Travel Information To the right of the body is a cross fashioned out of two poles, as is customary in Panama. Can anybody see that? I think someone took them there. The dog came back, but the young women didn't. The attacker could have taken the photos to confuse the authorities and the public. No replies are deleted except in rare cases of spam, inappropriate language/links, or disrespect to another contributor. Bizarre Stories About Tourists Who Went Missing Far From Home Most novices wouldnt know how to properly handle something like this, so it was probably someone experienced with computers. Ive removed their comment and blocked them from reposting. Shes just exploring. There appears to be a visible roof-like structure above Kriss head. Her whole body is facing towards the right in the picture, almost in profile to the camera, with even her right leg in front of her left leg (a dancer would tell you that her whole body would much more naturally turn to the left, away from the camera) and then only her face turning right, towards the camera, the upper part of her body following slightly. What is that clear brown glass-looking circle in the upper righthand corner? I know that in previous photos there are trenches like this one naturally occurring throughout the jungle due to erosion, but this one doesnt appear to be from that. It would be interesting to know exactly where this photo was taken Is it along the main trail north of the Mirador en route to the stream crossing? I cant say what it is, but it looks similar to an object, that can be seen in some of the nighttime photos, like in this one here.
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